According to judaism the real messiah should be born in bethlehem now in the west bank?


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if the messiah is jew.. maybe he is not follow the judaism could be maybe a christian converted or muslim? but he still jew according to the laws no? is that's the true the real messiah should be born in bethlehem in the west bank now? in a city with majority of muslims? how can we know the messiah has born?


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Hate the liars and the Lies

Any person who was born a Jew and then converts to Christianity or Islam would be an apostate - and therefore could not possibly be the Messiah.

Since Christians - by definition - believe that Jesus was the Messiah, a Christian could not remain Christian while trying to replace him. To become the Messiah, they would have to give up the idea that Jesus was either a sacrifice or the divine Son of God, and therefore they could no longer be Christian.
One of the cornerstones of Islam is that the Tanakh has been corrupted and the Jews have changed their scriptures. Since one of the prophecies is that all Jews will *know* the Torah, without study, as soon as that person realized that the Torah is unchanged, and *everyone* knows it, they would have to cease to be Muslim.

As far as being born in Bethlehem, that isn't quite how it is written in the Tanakh. Yes it is a reference to the Messiah - but it refers to his *lineage* not his birthplace.

" 1. And you, Bethlehem Ephrathah-you should have been the lowest of the clans of Judah-from you [he] shall emerge for Me, to be a ruler over Israel; and his origin is from of old, from days of yore."

As it is stated (I Sam. 17:58): “The son of your bondsman, Jesse the Bethlehemite.” And Bethlehem is called Ephrath, as it is said (Gen. 48:7): “On the road to Ephrath, that is Bethlehem.”

David is from "the Bethlehemite". Any of his seed (which the Messiah must be) would be from "the Bethlehemite" as well.

It is not necessarily the physical location at all.

Aravah

answer: He will be a Torah observant Jew and it's not one of the prophecies where he will be born. We will know the messiah is here when the temple is rebuilt and there is world peace - pretty much only then.

And the messiah won't be worshiped because he will be human, not divine and will know that worshiping anyone but G-d breaks the covenant with G-d.

There are 23 prophecies - all will be done during his lifetime, no second coming.

* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
*****In other words - this must all be accomplished in a human lifetime*****
* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)
* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)
* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9).
Thanks to Mark S and Plushy Bear

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Those who answer that Jesus was the messiah are Christians and most don't know much about Judaism.

kismet

How have we Jews, who invented the term, always defined the term Messiah?

The Messiah is born of two human parents, as we said.But Jesus, according to Christian theology, was born of a union between a Human woman and God, rather than two HUMAN parents, as was Hercules, and Dionysis, as well as many other pagan gods.
The Messiah can trace his lineage through his human biological father, back to King David (Isaiah 11:1,10; Jeremiah 23:5; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:21-28; Jeremiah 30:7-10; 33:14-16; and Hosea 3:4-5). But Jesus's lineage cannot go through his human father, according to Christian theology, as Jesus's father was not Joseph the husband of Mary. According to Christian theology, Jesus's father was God.
The Messiah traces his lineage only through King Solomon (II Samuel 7:12-17; I Chronicles 22:9-10). But according to Luke 3:31, Jesus was a descendant of Nathan, another son of King David, and not a descendant of King David through King Solomon.
The Messiah cannot trace his lineage through Jehoiakim, Jeconiah, or Shealtiel, because this royal line was cursed (I Chronicles 3:15-17; Jeremiah 22:18,30). But according to both Matthew 1:11-12 and Luke 3:27, Jesus was a descendant of Shealtiel.
According to the Jewish definition of the term, the Real Messiah will make changes in the real world, changes that one can see and perceive and be able to prove because these changes take place in the real world. It is for this task that the real messiah has been anointed in the first place, hence the term, messiah -- one who is anointed. These changes, that one will be able to see and perceive in the real world, include:

The Messiah is preceded by Elijah the prophet who, with the Messiah, unifies the family (Malachi 4:5-6), which is contradicted by Jesus in Matthew 10:34-37.
The Messiah re-establishes the Davidic dynasty through the messiah's own children (Daniel 7:13-14). But Jesus had no children.
The Messiah brings an eternal peace between all nations, between all peoples, and between all people (Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Ezekiel 39:9). Obviously there is no peace. Furthermore, Jesus said that his purpose in coming was to bring a sword, and not peace (see Matthew 10:34, as referenced above.)
The Messiah brings about the universal world-wide conversion of all peoples to Judaism, or at least to Ethical Monotheism (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Zechariah 8:23; Isaiah 11:9; Zechariah 14:9,16). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
The Messiah brings about an end to all forms of idolatry (Zechariah 13:2). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
The Messiah brings about a universal recognition that the Jewish idea of God is God (Isaiah 11:9). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
The Messiah leads the world to become vegetarian (Isaiah 11:6-9). It isn't.
The Messiah gathers to Israel, all of the twelve tribes (Ezekiel 36:24). Many of the ten lost tribes remain lost.
The Messiah rebuilds The Temple (Isaiah 2:2; Ezekiel 37:26-28). It hasn't been rebuilt.
There will be no more famine (Ezekiel 36:29-30). People starve to death every day.
After the Messiah comes, death will eventually cease (Isaiah 25:8). People die every day.
Eventually the dead will be resurrected (Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; Ezekiel 37:12-13; Isaiah 43:5-6);

allonyoav

Well- a branch of Jesse just means a descendant of King David. Jesse was David's father, and thus the Mashiach, a descendant of David, would be on the tree of Jesse. It doesn't imply a place of origin, but ancestry (and this in fact excludes Jesus since their is no adoption in to a house or tribe Judaism, and thus if G-d is Jesus' father, he is NOT from the House of David!)

As for Micah 5:2:
2. Therefore, He shall deliver them until the time a woman in confinement gives birth. And the rest of his brothers shall return upon the children of Israel.

Now this is a continuation of the previous verse which is:
1. And you, Bethlehem Ephrathah-you should have been the lowest of the clans of Judah-from you [he] shall emerge for Me, to be a ruler over Israel; and his origin is from of old, from days of yore.

Here Betlehem Ephrathat refers to the House of Jesse- Who is called in other places "Jesse the Bethlemite". Why the lowest clan? Due to the taint caused by the the husbands of Ruth and Orpah in taking Moabitess' for wives- but instead of the ancestry of Ryth being an issue, from her will issue the Mashiach. It does not refer to the place, but to the ancestry of the Mashiach

Gamla Joe

The reference to the Messiah coming out of Bethlehem is understood in Judaism as an allegorical reference to the lineage of King David who was from Bethlehem.

The same is true about the "branch of jesse" Jesse was David's father, so IE he was the branch (his offspring)

rac EAC Evil Atheist Conspiracy

I don't think that Jews believe he will be born in Beth lehem - at least not all of them do.

Franhusda

Jesus is the Messiah, and was born according to the scriptural prophecies in the OT, 2000 years ago !


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Dreamcast

There is no Messiah. God is not real.